Bidding at the Tax Sale – the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

Bidding at the Tax SaleTax deed sales and redeemable deed sales are straightforward and bidding at the tax sale is easy to understand. You bid up the price of the property at the sale. Then you pay the amount you bid, plus any additional costs. Costs such as any auctioneer’s premium, realty transfer fees, and recording fees.

Bidding at the tax sale is not so simple for tax liens. There are different methods of bidding depending on the state and sometimes even the county or city where the tax sale is held.

The most common bidding procedures are:

  • Bidding down the interest rate
  • Premium bid – bidding up the price of the lien
  • Bidding down the percent ownership of the property should the lien not redeem, and the investor get the property
  • Round robin or random selection method of bidding, which is not really “bidding” at all.

Other Procedures For Bidding at the Tax Sale

Besides the 4 methods mentioned, there can also be a combination of any of them. In New Jersey for instance the interest rate can be bid down to 0% and then premium is bid. Some Colorado counties will use the premium bid method for the larger liens and random selection or round robin for the smaller ones. Some counties in states that allow for bidding down the percent ownership of the property will use a round robin or random selection process instead.

Which Bidding Procedure is Best?

All of these bidding methods have their pros and cons. Oddly enough it’s the bidding procedures that seem most attractive that have the biggest drawbacks. For instance, when you bid down the percent ownership of the property you get the the maximum rate allowed, since it is not bid down at the sale. But if you get the property, unless you won the bid at 100%, you share ownership, and do not have sole rights to the property.

Round robin or random selection bidding sounds great for the same reason, you get the maximum interest rate. But you do not know which liens will be offered to you, and sometimes you don’t have the right of refusal. So, neither bidding down the percent ownership or round robin or random selection are the best bidding procedures for the investor.

We all know that in the states that bid down the interest rate, the interest rate gets bid down extremely low, sometimes down to 0%. And it seems that the states that have the highest statutory rates is where these rates get bid the lowest – 0.25% in Florida, 0% in New Jersey and Illinois, 1-2% in Arizona. So where can an investor go to get tax liens at higher interest rates?

What Does it Mean To Bid Premium for Tax Liens?

Bidding premium for a tax lien means bidding an amount over and above the lien to get the lien. The winning bidder is the investor who bids the highest amount for the lien. Sometimes this is bid as a separate amount from the lien, and sometimes the amount of the lien is included in the bid amount. Some states give you interest on your premium if the lien is redeemed and some do not. In the state of Colorado, you do not get your premium back when the lien redeems.

How Does Premium Bidding Work?

Premium bidding works differently in different states, and even in different counties or cities in the same state. I’ve been in this business for more than 20 years and I’m still finding out about bidding procedures in different taxing districts. That’s because in some states each city can have their own tax sale and make up their own rules! For instance, the counties in New York, except for Nassau County, sell tax deeds. But the cities in each county can do what they want and have their own tax sales. They can sell liens or deeds according to their own city code.

I have been to tax sales in 2 of these cities, in the same county. Both had tax lien sales, both were live auctions, and both used the premium method of bidding. But they each have a different way of handling the premium. And they each have different tax sale rules and procedures.

Tale of 2 Cities

In one city tax sale premium is bid in addition to the certificate amount. In other words, premium is a separate amount bid that must be paid in addition to the amount of the tax lien certificate. The successful bidder pays the bid amount bid plus the lien amount. The redemption period is 2 years, and the interest rate is 12% per annum calculated at 1% per month. The bidder receives that rate on the entire bid amount, and all subsequent taxes that are paid.

In another city in this same county, premium is also bid at the sale. But the amount bid at this sale includes the lien amount. The successful bidder does not pay the premium or overbid at the tax sale. The amount of the bid over and above the lien amount is only paid if the lien does not redeem. The redemption period is only one year and the interest rate is 15% per annum, calculated daily.

Which is the better 

These are 2 cities in the same county; one that has a tax deed sale – not a tax lien sale. And each of these cities are entirely different in how they conduct their tax sales. It seems that the sale where you don’t have to pay the premium unless the lien doesn’t redeem, and you get the property is a better sale to bid at. But because full amount bid is not paid at the sale, bids can go very high at this auction.

I’ve seen amounts higher than 70% of the property value bid at this auction. If the lien doesn’t redeem, then the entire bid price must be paid. And any subsequent taxes due, title search fees, notification costs, and recording fees must be paid to get the deed. And that is before, evicting occupants, rehabbing the property, and clearing the title so that it can be sold.

The Bidding Procedure I Like Best

So which procedure do I like best for bidding at the tax sale? I prefer to bid premium in auctions where I have to pay the premium and get interest on the full amount that I bid. This is the method used at redeemable deed sales, as well as a couple of the tax lien states. I also like to have the ability to pay the subsequent taxes and have them added to my lien.

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Where’s The Real Money in Tax Lien Investing?

the real money in tax lien investing

So many investors, when they decide to start investing in tax liens, want to know which states pay the highest interest rate or penalty and have the shortest redemption periods. They assume that those are the best to invest in, and that’s where the real money in tax lien investing is.

But so does everybody else, including banks and hedge funds. That makes these sales very competitive. Either the amount of the lien or deed is bid up so high, or the interest rate is bid down so low, that any profit is minimized. Investors and hedge funds are now fighting for the opportunity to buy liens and redeemable deeds for very low return on investment!

Hence some tax lien investing “experts” have recommended that investors don’t bid at the tax sales among all this competition, but instead purchase the left-over liens. But in doing so they fail to mention 2 very big drawbacks to this strategy. First not all counties sell the left-over liens or deeds that are not sold at the tax sale. Some will just rebid them year after year. Secondly, there is a reason why liens don’t sell at very competitive tax sales, and that reason is they are liens on junk properties. Although every once in a while you can find a decent property among the left-overs, it is a very time consuming process that has to be accomplished in a specific time frame. It is not something that I recommend for new investors.

Can you still make good money with tax liens?

So how does a person make good money or get double digit returns from tax lien investing? Rest assured that it is possible, and can be done. The way to do it depends on how much money you have to invest. For individual investors with smaller amounts of money to invest, I recommend these 5 things… Continue reading

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Our Next Live Investor Summit – Palm Springs or Atlanta?

our next investor summitWhere would you like to go for our next live Investor Summit, Atlanta or Palm Springs?

See the woman with the white hair and white jacket sitting in the second row? That’s me at Investor Comp’s Foreclosure University in Atlanta Georgia just a few days ago! I always learn a lot at these events with my real estate investing mentor Mark Jackson (MJ).

And for the next 2 and half day Live Investor Summit, we’ll be doing it together. I’ll be teaching tax lien investing and MJ will be teaching how you can make money with bank owned properties – without needing good credit or your own cash.

I’m so excited to be teaching tax lien investing along side my real estate investing mentor. And by the way, I’ve learned and am still learning a lot from MJ, not just about real estate investing but how to be the best version of myself. Everyone that I talk to at this event is always so glad they came to it. Here’s a video with an attendee that I did live from the event…

West Coast vs. East Coast

I get so many subscribers on the west coast and they have been asking me when I’m going to do an event there. So for the next Investor Summit – April 23-25, 2020, we’re deciding whether to have it in Atlanta again or in Palm Springs California. And you get to vote!

Where would you like to go for the next Investor Summit? Palm Springs or Atlanta! Comment on this post and let me know…

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Get Profitable Tax Liens Coaching Lets You Avoid Costly Mistakes

Get Profitable Tax Liens Laser CoachingIs it possible to get profitable tax liens right from the start and avoid costly mistakes?

I get emails from new tax lien investors after they’ve made a  serious tax lien investing mistake. It usually happens after they went to a tax sale and bought a tax lien or tax deed. They thought they did their due diligence. They thought that they researched the properties but they may have left something out. Continue reading

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Investing For Success Free Training

Investing For Success Free TrainingI’m so excited to share with you my brand new FREE “Investing For Success” 3 part training series! Our first workshop on “Restore The Years The Locusts Have Eaten – Invest Your Money for High Returns Without Speculation,” was just last Thursday. I did a Facebook Live workshop while I was on vacation!

My Goal in part one of the training was simple: to let you know about a way to invest your money for high return without the typical risks of real estate investing or the uncertainty of the stock market.

If you already know me, you know that the way to do this that I’m talking about is investing in tax lien certificates and tax deeds.

You might already know about the benefits of investing in tax liens, but you just don’t know where or how to get started.

That’s where the rest of this video series can help!

If you haven’t seen video #1 yet, go watch it now…

And register to get in on the rest of the training:

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And I’m really excited to be bringing you part 2 of our Investing For Success training series on “What’s Possible With Tax Lien Investing” today, Tuesday, September 10 at 2pm Eastern time!

Tax lien investing is so different in every state, and in some states, it can change from county to county. Anyone who says they’re an expert at tax lien investing in every state in the US is probably pulling your leg. There are some states that don’t sell tax liens, and some where quite frankly it’s not worth it to purchase them.

That’s one of the reasons why I’m doing this 3-part free online Investing For Success training series. You can watch the very first training HERE.

During this training I talked about how I got started investing in tax liens. And I went over what a tax lien is and what the difference is between a tax lien and a tax deed. I also gave all the participants a copy of my State Guide, which gives a summary of how tax sales are conducted in every state.

In our next training session, I’ll show you what is possible with tax lien investing and give you a 5 point checklist to help you get started.

The video replays and the exclusive Facebook group (where we’re delivering the training) will be kept up for a short time – maybe only a week after we have our last session, so make sure to join our exclusive FB Group and watch these live workshops as they happen or watch the replays as soon as you can. You’ll get all the details on how to join and download your copy of Tax Lien Lady’s Tax Lien Investing State Guide, when you join the free training!

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